Thrown into the freestyle pot…
Thrown into the freestyle pot…
Thrown into the freestyle pot…
Getting into graffiti on Staten Island in the early 90′s, SCOPE 2 was one of the most influential style writers to come from this segregated area of New York City. Known for his segment in Video Graff 2 with Mars & Take 5 shot in 1990, Scope has decided to come back out after several years of retirement. It was a real honor to get to paint with him after all these years.
When trying to think of a phrase to write between Scope and I, I came up with “American Accent… A’yo”. It’s a reference to both of us being based out west with seemingly out of place New York accents. That in combination with my steady use of American Accents paint in the early to mid 90′s.
On a side note, having a thick (American) accent seems a bit odd to some in California. A few months back I started speaking with this lady about something. Before I could finish my second sentence she cuts me off saying “wait, are you South African or something?”…
Samples of Scope2′s older work HERE
One of the best walls painted at the last Art Basel, Miami. These party people know how to have a good time and make good work in the process.
What is “Old School” and what is the standard (if any) when using this term in graffiti?
One morning back in April,l I was finishing up the Blade tribute on the side of the MoCA museum in Los Angeles. Martha Cooper came by the wall just around the same time that Blade showed up. She told me how great it was that the museum had someone from the “new school” paint a tribute for someone from the “old school”. Something about that comment really caught me off guard. Maybe because I was deliriously tired from painting all night? I saw the label of new school as way of classifying me as a new writer or (not intended by Cooper) a new jack. I told Martha that this was my 20th year painting graffiti and asked how long do I have to write, until I’m no longer considered new? Firemen, teachers or other city employees are eligible for retirement benefits after 20 years of job experience, and I’m sure that those who have worked within their profession for so long would not be considered similar to those with just a few years experience?
This got me thinking about what constitutes something or someone being considered old school in graffiti? Is it a way of defining a past generation of writers who contrast with writers today? Or broadly, is it a title that is earned after years of growth and involvement within something? As far back as I can remember, the term “old school” has been used to describe veterans or key people who have put in work within the scene.
As an early teen involved with graffiti, I had this naive idea that old school was anyone who started writing before me. Getting involved with graffiti in New York City in 1991, a new fleet of graffiti free trains were in service, crushed highway sound walls were just starting to get buffed, and the streets were running with layers and layers of tags and throw ups. I started as graffiti was evolving into a predominately street level movement. New writers at the time bombed walls with the mentality of hitting shit that “ran”. At the time, I thought anyone who was painting during the subway era was old school or from an old way of getting up. It was a practice of the distant past, even if it was only 3-4 years ago.
These days I am not sure what I consider to be old or new (black or white)? Maybe old school is just another way of saying first generation? It seems that graffiti lacks an up to date glossary to describe the many generations of writers who have come post Subway Art, pre and post millenium. It’s kind of strange to lump everything after the 70′s as one whole group; we’re talking about over 30 years compared to 10. It kind of reminds me of the format many oldies radio stations follow. For years CBS fm in New York played oldies aka music from the 50′s, 60′s and a bit of the early 70′s. The same 100 songs over and over again. Some years later they broadened their range and definition of the station, including music extending into the mid 80′s. Like this bullshit station, should graffiti’s definition of what is old expand over time?
To better answer the question of what constitutes old school, I reached out to a range of writers who started painting anywhere from the early 70′s going all the way up to the mid 00′s. The responses range, and I feel that the opinions are influenced by their age, city, and years spent painting….
In relation to graffiti, what is “Old School”. Is it based on when you wrote or how long you have been active?
According to Portia aka Mrs. Blade: Blade’s view on old school may be different than other people’s views. He believes old school is for people that started writing in 1970-1972 because there were no masterpieces on trains! Just singe hits, which were called tags in the 80s.
It was called single hits because you only knew how to rack one can & when you saw a 10 car train, you would write your name on it once on each car. Masterpieces did not come about until the middle of 1972.
He started in early 1972.
He did his 1st masterpiece in the summer of 1972.
The best book he ever saw on the market is Graffiti Kings by Jack Stewart. Because all of the interviews were done when we were teenagers right on the spot in New York.
“I think the term “Old School” is relative, depending on where you grew up and what history you rose out of. If you are talking NY and the golden age of the train era, I would say you would probably have to have started writing by 75-76 latest. For the rest of the USA and Europe, it would probably me more like up until 84-85 in the post ‘Style Wars’ era.
I stared writing in 1972 on the #1 Broadway line in Manhattan.”
“For me Old School has always meant anyone who started writing before Subway Art was published in 1984. I used the term New School to mean everything after Subway Art–sort of like B.C./A.D. I realize that’s an egocentric definition but I never gave it much thought before now. The term never (for me) meant to imply anything about the quality of the work, just when it was done. I’m happy to revise my definition of the term to whatever the consensus of opinion is.
Urban dictionary favorite definition http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=old%20school: Anything that is from an earlier era and looked upon with high regard or respect. Can be used to refer to music, clothing, language, or anything really.
I agree that the term could use some re-defining so let me know what you decide.”
“I started in 1980. I’ve put in my 30 lol!
Old school to me is the 70′s and 80′s generation but today anything over 15 years old in this game is considered old school at least that is what I think. Had to give that one some thought not even sure I understand it now.”
“Old school is just one of those terms that is now outdated because graffiti keeps moving on through many generations. Kind of like “keep it real” of course we are gonna keep it real just like we are going to get older.. Old school to me is the original wave of graffiti in NY during the 70s. It’s easier to label things old school today because of all the technological advances over the last 10 or so years. Using a rotary phone, having milk delivered to your back door, subway tokens were not that long ago but still feel distinctly old school in todays world. I started in 81 and people tell me I’m old school and I say no because to me 81 was already late in the game. That said 30 years is a good chunk of time and I guess no matter what younger writers are always gonna look at people who started writing before they were born as old school which sounds better than “damn you old”.”
“I believe Old School is a combination of a few things…
One would be the obvious “how long you’ve been writing” I’ve been writing since 1982, therefore in this sense I would be considered Old school…..
Old School could also be the way people approach painting their graffiti. An example of this would be someone who may take traditional steps I.E. sketch his piece prior, sketch his first outline on the wall, fill in, then do final outline last….
along with the for mentioned there are also many old techniques that would be considered an Old School style, I.E. White shines, and highlights placed on the edge of your letter touching the outline, Or maybe even traditional arrows going in all directions etc. This is a can of worms and would vary among different writers of different eras and regions
And lastly I believe there is an Old School mentality, like someone who takes their graffiti very serious even if they are not very active, very likely to punch you in the face if they’re stuff is dissed, or someone who doesn’t partake in blogging or any of the social networking, Does not advertise that he writes, still paint with racked paint, always trying to get over….Stuff like that….
Or you can leave the last sentence simple like this….
And lastly, I believe there is an Old School mentality, like someone who is very likely to punch you in the face is they are dissed….”
“I would consider myself a third generation New york writer. To all those that came after me I would be old school.
Kids were talking about old school when I first started writing which was 1983. Old school to me means Classic, traditional , letter styles, racking your paint and caps. painting subways. Starting a crew and pushing each other to get better.”
“For me “Old School” is a term for writers from the 1970s. It is a term for writers that by 1980 had already quit and moved on. Today I still use the term to mean the same thing and the same time period. I am not old school.”
“The term “Old-school” refers (in my opinion) to the early developmental generation of any given thing, I dont feel its relative to an individuals personal timeline but the accumulative “thing” as a whole.”
“I think the term ‘Oldschool’ operates on two timelines. One is the general history of writing and it’s early beginnings in Philly and NYC and the second time line is one relative to where you live and in context to when people pioneered a scene local to you.
In New Zealand there are instances of writing as early as 1980 – Our most notable Old School writers were probably Smooth Crew though, they were featured in Spray Can Art and were leagues ahead of a lot of people outside NYC for their time. In respect to my local timeline, they are the Oldschool. In relation to the greater timeline of writing in general they aren’t truly oldschool.
I made my first attempts at writing during my first year of Highschool in 1993. My generation really came to dominate the local scene during the mid 90′s onwards and are considered the 3rd major wave of writers in the NZ scene. My peers are undoubtedly the most consistent generation to date, writers from before us had relatively short careers in comparison. Admittedly the scene was very different in those days and the advent of the internet etc has weakened graffiti locally but strengthened it internationally a considerable amount.”
“I started writing in late 92 – 93, being from NYC its easy for me to
say “old school” is graffiti from the days of train writing. The “old
school” is like when you change the secret sauce on a hamburger. Its
still a burger, and the new version isn’t necessarily better or worse,
its just different (ie transition from trains to walls). It’s based on
the change in the culture, not your number of years in the game.”
“Every writer has their own “Old School”. Part respect for graffiti from a (subjective) heyday, part nostalgia for past experiences, and part false perception that it was somehow different than than it is today. Quiet insistence that you both are and are not part of that vague yesterday.
For me personally, “Old School” is hours of shoe boxes of dog-earred flicks with the red date in the corner, 99¢ Autumn Gold and Indian Spice, duct taped blackbooks in backpacks, Hostyle Bomb Threat Kings, Eruptoe327 scribes on payphones, seeing the numbers taped, white inlines, discovering Spraycan Art, and paying tribute to the pioneers by knowing the history.”
“To me, the term Old School refers to both the early generation of Graffiti writers, and the laws in which they utilized to depict and communicate a style..the timeless practice of these laws become tradition, and an accurate representation of ‘Trueness’ to the form of graffiti. Looking at it objectively, it would be more based on the culture at whole, then just my perspective. although at the same time I may refer to something I did in 2002 as old school to me, or my generation. I started in 2000.”
“For me the oldest generation is the Old School. So for Germany, these are the writers who started in the 80′s. When they are out of the game, then it’s the next generation.”
As for my own involvement in graffiti, I feel that I am neither old or new school. I started writing before the internet, digital cameras, common cell phone use, and the birth of spray paint made for graffiti. With these couple of differences at the start, I feel that my experiences of writing early on contrasts from the writers who started in the past 10 years.
Just the same, I did not get into graffiti painting on trains. I learned to paint all pieces with bottoms (not designed to sit on a panel). By starting on walls I fell into the habit of choosing paint differently. Instead of using a smooth gloss finish Krylon for outlining, I would learn to stick with Ultra Flat or a heavier grade rougher spraying Rustoleum. Thin and glossy paint worked well on metal but was useless on unprimed cement walls. This effected what my work looked like, and also how many cans it took to paint one piece.. Another difference with post subway writing is that without running trains, the idea of going “All City” required that you, not your work had to do most of the traveling. Getting into graffiti in the 90′s was much different than starting out in the 70′s, 80′s or today.
I’m not saying that any period is better than another. I’m just saying that there are enough differences to update the way we classify periods, artists, or practices. With graffiti continuing along as it has since the release of Subway and Spray Can Art, it’s hard to fit everything going on in present day within the handful of definitions recorded in those books. There is a lot of gray area between old and new. It would be nice to eventually see it all sifted through in a more official way.
I knew something was off about the above character; something cheesy or corny about it. I tried reshaping the eyes and breaking it up with some splashes. Later I asked Jurne what he thought was wrong with it, he pulls up a video and tells me it looks like it would be on the side of these type of shoes….
Jeez I need to draw more!
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